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How do you define success in SMP?
Gotta get 126 Points
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Must play as Swashbuckler
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Rescure all 4, get Monty, get married, decent health
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Salty Dog
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2016 8:50 am    Post subject: What is Success? Reply with quote

How do you define a successful Pirating career? I used to think 126 Points was where it is at. I don't think so anymore. The object of the game is to find and reunite your four family members, take vengeance on Monty and acquire enough money and points to have a good lifestyle and career post-pirating. Also, wouldn't it make sense to quit while you are in good health?

I just played a game with those goals in mind. I played at Adventurer level and 1660, starting as French.

I finished the game on August 29, 1666 and retired at age 24 in GOOD health! I reunited all four family members took down Monty and beat all nine named pirates. I married Dutch Beauty #1 and retired in Curacao as the Bishop there with 93 points. I had about 73,000 gold and around 7000 acres of land so I was pretty well off. I found one Lost City and that added about 6 months to my time, I could have retired in January or February of 1666 if I did not chase the one Lost City.

Is this a success? I think so because I got out of Pirating with my health and achieved almost everything. I only found three treasurers but that is fine by me. I finished a Marquis with France and the Dutch, Count with the Spanish and only a Colonel with the English. I will take it though!!!
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2016 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think suscess is what you get out of the the game. For me it's not so much playing the game though I do a lot of that but changing stuff around n it. If my family was captured then rescuing them would take priorty over everything else so I would say this is a must by that's my opinion. Some might forget their folks once they meet up with the governors daughter.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2016 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish the voting program allowed me to add a fourth line. While setting up the voting I added it but it did not take. My fourth choice was : Success is defined by how wide the smile is on your face. That is what it is all about, just having some fun. I think the best part of the game is the start.

If you have not done so before, start the game and choose 1660, English.
Soon as it starts, turn your sloop around BEFORE you sail into Barbados. The sail due south and attack the Treasure Fleet as they sail north of Trinidad. They arrive there February 1st. Try to get TWO Treasure Galleons, sink the first one and then capture the second one. That is the most fun way to start the game!

I could have continued the game I played and found all the treasures and made Duke from all four countries, BUT my character would have declined in health. We would have been scarred and word out from so many battles. I figure getting out of this ruthless business at age 24 was where it was at!
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2016 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, after becoming the most notorious pirate on the Spanish Main, you were ordained Bishop of Curacao at age 24? Maybe the Pope thought it would take a healthy young man with a reputation to be a bishop in a place ruled by liberal Calvinists. He must have averted his eyes to your marriage . . .
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2016 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That stretches the imagination, doesn't it? Since this is Curacao and it is Dutch, would it be a Catholic Church? I guess so since the other churches of the day did not have Bishops, right? Here is what Wikipedia says about The Netherlands in the 1600's:

In 1648, the independence of the Netherlands was recognized by the Treaty of Westphalia. The Netherlands did not only include the seven relatively independent Protestant provinces of the Dutch Republic but also a Roman Catholic Generaliteitsland, which was governed by the States-General. This area roughly includes the current provinces of North Brabant and Limburg, which remained Roman Catholic. The Netherlands became known among Anglicans, many Protestants and Jews for its relative religious tolerance and became a refuge for the persecuted and a home for many of these migrants. The proportion of first-generation immigrants from outside the Netherlands among the population of Amsterdam was nearly 50% in the 17th and 18th centuries

So, I guess there could be a Catholic Cathedral with a Bishop in Curacao.

We should talk about the Dutch Islands in a separate thread.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2016 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Salty Dog wrote:
That stretches the imagination, doesn't it? Since this is Curacao and it is Dutch, would it be a Catholic Church? I guess so since the other churches of the day did not have Bishops, right? Here is what Wikipedia says about The Netherlands in the 1600's:

In 1648, the independence of the Netherlands was recognized by the Treaty of Westphalia. The Netherlands did not only include the seven relatively independent Protestant provinces of the Dutch Republic but also a Roman Catholic Generaliteitsland, which was governed by the States-General. This area roughly includes the current provinces of North Brabant and Limburg, which remained Roman Catholic. The Netherlands became known among Anglicans, many Protestants and Jews for its relative religious tolerance and became a refuge for the persecuted and a home for many of these migrants. The proportion of first-generation immigrants from outside the Netherlands among the population of Amsterdam was nearly 50% in the 17th and 18th centuries

So, I guess there could be a Catholic Cathedral with a Bishop in Curacao.

We should talk about the Dutch Islands in a separate thread.

I am currently reading a book on the history of New Amsterdam - the Dutch colony that became New York. The Dutch were fairly liberal and tolerant by the standards of the age, so the Catholic minority was accepted. Even Jews were tolerated!

Anglicans and Scandinavian Lutherans also had bishops, but I don't know whether they would have had many adherents in Curacao - and certainly not enough to warrant assigning a bishop. But if Spain or Britain had captured Curacao at one point in your game, there might have been a bishop left behind.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I define success by how much fun I had, out-of-game.

In game, I used to the think like the OP, 126 was where it was at. Recently, I realized the same thing, as well. Now, in-game, I define success as rescuing my family, avenging them, and maxing out wealth points. Anything else (including love) is bonus.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2016 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No consideration for health?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2016 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Salty Dog wrote:
No consideration for health?

Honestly, I had not thought about it.

Yes and no. I will retire as soon as the above stated goals are met; I will not drag out my career. However, if it takes me the whole game to achieve them, I do not consider that a failure. Honestly, even on Swashbuckler, it does not take the whole game; I can usually retire before 30.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I personally like to maximize the victory points, but to get the most pleasure from a game I also want to collect ALL the items, including the ones that don't seem to have an impact on the game. Additionally, I make it a point to end the game with a fully upgraded version of each of the 4 best warships available, i.e.:
- Mail Runner: hard to get but eventually I get one from ahem...escorting an ultimatum mission for some nation. If I really can't get one I might settle for a Pinnace
- Royal Sloop: fairly easy to get
- Brig of War : fairly easy as well
- Shop of the Line : very hard to get (I sometimes settle for a Large Frigate)
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At this point it success is achieving whatever goal I set for myself that game.

Conquering all the cities, getting all of the bounties, etc.
I still like solving all of the maps.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

deleted duplicate post. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rusty Edge wrote:
At this point it success is achieving whatever goal I set for myself that game.

Conquering all the cities, getting all of the bounties, etc.
I still like solving all of the maps.


You don't mean conquering all the cities EVERY game do you? It take quite a while to conquer every city. I've done it once but have no desire to do it again.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Salty Dog wrote:
Rusty Edge wrote:
At this point it success is achieving whatever goal I set for myself that game.

Conquering all the cities, getting all of the bounties, etc.
I still like solving all of the maps.


You don't mean conquering all the cities EVERY game do you? It take quite a while to conquer every city. I've done it once but have no desire to do it again.


No, not at all. Those are examples of game objectives I choose before I start. Hunt all of the Pirate Hunters. Whatever.

I do tend to redraw the map by city captures a lot, though. Sid's Civilization IV is my favorite game, it normally takes me over 30 hours to complete a game on the map size and settings I prefer. Capturing most of the cities is usually part of that.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say conquering all the cities using the larger city mod would be a challenge.
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