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Mr. Blue
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tobold Hornblower was the first to cultivate it, and later it was exported, so I'd say yes.

http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Pipe-weed
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tobold Hornblower was the first to cultivate it, and later it was exported, so I'd say yes.

http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Pipe-weed
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like I did a triple post. Is that a record? Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is LOTR and the Hobbit worth re-reading?

As per Tolkien and Pipe-weed, there is no evidence of Tolkien being into counter-culture activities. So... I doubt he was smoking cannabis.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ExtraCrispy wrote:
Is LOTR and the Hobbit worth re-reading?...


I think they are worth re-reading.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I checked it out: "Weed" is an archaic term for tobacco. Today, it means cannabis, but not so much in Tolkien's time.

(https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/weed#English)
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tobaoco was the "weed" back then when the books were originally published.

LOTR and the Hobbit are worth re-reading if you give it a while
between readings, so some of the details begin to fade first.

Interesting to note what Tolkien originally intended - part 1 LOTR and part 2 Silmarillion, against what was finally published - LOTR in 3 parts.

Tolkien
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._R._R._Tolkien
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lord_of_the_Rings


Peter Jackson
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lord_of_the_Rings_(film_series)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hobbit_(film_series)

LOTR films were shedding book content to keep the runtime down.
Could have used a 4th film part.
Jackson's Hobbit film 3 part series really stretches a children's book beyond the one film only really needed to tell the story. More Peter Jackson's Hobbit & Silmarillion.

Christopher Lee in most of his Bios apparently read LOTR every year
when he was alive.

Jackson had Lee available on set with an almost encylopedic knowledge of LOTR so any mistakes are down to Jackson's choices in Peter Jackson's LOTR.

Christopher Lee
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Lee

EDIT: paste links into your Browser if required

The Silmarillion is essentially
Tolkien's writer notebook with his backstory notes eventually published after his death. Never fully worked up into a novel and can be grim reading. The scope and scale of Tolkien's world is astounding.


A non- Tolkien Series you may want to checkout.

Steven Erikson & Ian Cameron Esslemont - Malazan Book of the Fallen series World
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malazan_Book_of_the_Fallen

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Erikson
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Cameron_Esslemont

The Malazan world was co-created by Steven Erikson and Ian Cameron Esslemont and each write books individually on parts of the Malazan world.
Aproaches somewhat Tolkien's world scope and span but has taken
2 people to sort of match Tolkien.

If you like your fantasy irrevant, sweaty and where the bad guy can just
as easily prosper as say the good guy, then the Mazalazan world books
have all that and more. Mages in the books have to content with grenados
and other gunpowder bombs (no firearms, just bladed weapons and bows).

Steven Erikson's Malazan Book of the Fallen books came out first and in the 1st book, doesn't give any real exposition about the Malazan world until about 200 pages in, which some readers didn't like as had to work for it.
Esslemont's books came out later which covered the previous period.


another author often compared to Tolkien is

Stephen R. Donaldson
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_R._Donaldson

The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chronicles_of_Thomas_Covenant

Thomas Covenant books can be very grim reading.
There is a white gold ring in it too.

Donaldson's other work is much lighter in tone - Mordant's Need and
The Gap Cycle

The Gap Cycle is more sci-fi than fantasy
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