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Have you changed your mind about certain ships?
Yes, and it's good to learn what works better for me.
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No, I accurately anticipated my special vessel(s).
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Not sure; I dont think I know enough yet.
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Dave the Knave
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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice sailing yarn about the Mayflower II, Undershaft.

Didn't the original Mayflower start her career as a cargo ship for wine? I know she wasn't built for speed...

All of the ships we sail in Pirates! (except for the War Canoe, perhaps) should have tillers for steering, not wheels. There are other little anachronisms in the game. Some of the English wear white powdered wigs, for example, which were not yet fashionable in the 17th Century...but it doesn't affect game play in the least.

I still haven't made time to unleash myself on a brig- or on my current game! Other things to do at present.

Brigs are certainly gaining popularity here. I'm eager to join in...

Thanks for your posts and input, mateys. Ye be right capital sailors.

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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Undershaft,
Sounds like a really great time. I'm envious.
My sons friend will be leaving for Texas pretty soon to take possession of his new ship.
I'm supposed to be hearing from him once he gets there.
We'll see if he can keep it after paying taxes on it, and if he can then I'm in for crewing her.
When that time comes, I'll let y'all know.

Dave,
I'm quickly becoming a huge proponent of the Brig of War. She's not replaced the mighty SoTL Worship in my heart of hearts, but I like sailing her a lot better than any of the other ships.
I've been playing my current game for several weeks now and I've passed on the opportunity of keeping and upgrading a SoTL Worship for the entire time, selling them off quickly in port so as not to succumb to the temptation to upgrade one to perfection and continue sailing on with her.
So far I've managed to make Monty my cabin boy, found all of the lost treasures, found all the buried treasures, rescued most of the gov'ners daughters, marrying the beautiful red-headed English daughter in Port Royale, rescued all of my relatives and defeated all of the named pirates.
I've still not divided the plunder, I've still got a happy crew (they've slipped down to content once or twice, but always climb back up rather quickly). I've kept an average of 350 crew and I'm quickly running out of things to do that the game provides! I'm starting to make up things to do that I like to do and even that is going well.
Captain Blood is in his late 50's now and still seems to be going quite strong. I've noticed no lag in his fencing skills at all.
I've had comporable games sailing a SoTL Worship but my crew has never remained happy for the most part throughout.
I can't say it's the switch to sailing the BoW as my constant flagship that is totally behind this, but it sure is starting to seem that way.
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave the Knave wrote:
Nice sailing yarn about the Mayflower II, Undershaft.

Didn't the original Mayflower start her career as a cargo ship for wine? I know she wasn't built for speed...

Arr!


The original Mayflower Served for many years as a general purpose cargo ship hauling everything from timber to cloth to salt fish. She may have even been outfitted for a whaling expedition to Greenland at one point. Just prior to her famous voyage to the New World she was indeed employed as a wine transport. In fact, it was noted in the journal of one of the Pilgrims (William Bradford or Edward Winslow, I don't remember which right now) That the ship "Smelled sweetly of wine" when they boarded in London. The Mayflower was rated at 180 Tuns. A Tun was a large cask of wine, and was used as a common measure of a ships cargo capacity. She was no speed demon, it took her 66 days to sail from Plymouth, England to Cape Cod. Not fast, but not too slow either. The return trip to England in April, 1621 took only 30 days. Sailing West to East she had the wind and currents at her back and made very good time. Mayflower II took 54 days to sail from England to the States in 1957, though she took a more Southerly course. When I was at the helm of Mayflower II we were sailing West across Cape Cod Bay in a moderately dense fog with all six sails set and a 10-12 knot East wind. The Mate's GPS clocked us at six knots, a pretty respectable speed. Her max. speed is about 8-10 knots.

If they ever make a new version of Pirates! I think we should petition to have Wine included as one of the valuable cargoes. It would be worth a good amount of Gold and everyone in the New World would want it. I think it would be much better than the rather boring and worthless "Goods". If the crew was less than content, your amount of Wine would diminish at the same rate as Food. This would naturally make the crew happy again. Capturing and carrying Wine could replace the concertina!
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2008 3:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I can't say it's the switch to sailing the BoW as my constant flagship that is totally behind this, but it sure is starting to seem that way.

I'm glad to know that your career is going well, and that the Brig of War is a great asset and a happy ship. The crew capacity makes her almost as much of an invasion force as a Ship of the Line. Quite apart from all of this, brigs just look cool. I can't describe it, but I'm sure you know what I mean.

Regarding a certain famous ship and her namesake, Undershaft wrote:
The original Mayflower Served for many years as a general purpose cargo ship hauling everything from timber to cloth to salt fish. She may have even been outfitted for a whaling expedition to Greenland at one point. Just prior to her famous voyage to the New World she was indeed employed as a wine transport...


Thanks for more history, matey.

The last time I crossed the Atlantic, it took several hours by jet. Sailing over a period of a month or two would be quite a different experience...I think I'd prefer sailing, though. Flying as a passenger is an appointment; sailing as a passenger or crewman would be an adventure!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Somewere i read that ships of the line were the fastest. I disagree, War Canoes are the best . The small crew lets me keep from dividing the plunder all the time. Also They can gufight Ships of the line even without taking on a single cannonball! Because of their maneuverability I can sail mine well enough to take out multiple Brigs of war and the escorted east indiamans they protect.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think people who have compared them agree that war canoes are the fastest - even slightly faster than the larger ships in their class - pinnaces and mail runners. With skill - maneuver and fencing (unless you are very patient) they can take pretty much anything.

On the other hand, when you accumulate the wealth to support a larger crew - for sacking or conquering cities - you need something larger too, even if you keep a small fast ship at flag for the speed. Also, some folks enjoy thundering broadsides for their own sake.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Evasive Maneuvers wrote:
Somewere i read that ships of the line were the fastest. I disagree, War Canoes are the best.

First, I think frigates and large frigates are slightly faster, and perhaps more maneuverable, than ships of the line.

When sailing with a strong wind from directly astern, frigate-class vessels are about as fast as war canoes. But when the wind is from any other direction they slow down a lot, and they are not very maneuverable. War canoes are fast no matter where the wind is coming from, and they can change direction on a dime.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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First, I think frigates and large frigates are slightly faster, and perhaps more maneuverable, than ships of the line.

I'm fairly sure that the Ship of the Line is just as fast as her little sisters. Her larger size may make it seem as though she's slower.

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When sailing with a strong wind from directly astern, frigate-class vessels are about as fast as war canoes. But when the wind is from any other direction they slow down a lot, and they are not very maneuverable. War canoes are fast no matter where the wind is coming from, and they can change direction on a dime.

I have actually caught War Canoes with a Ship of the Line- but in very high winds. Otherwise, such a chase is fruitless.

The War Canoe is my preferred attack ship now. Not only is she maneuverable and fast. War Canoes are scores of times easier to come by than a Ship of the Line. This makes them very economical and eminently disposable.

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On the other hand, when you accumulate the wealth to support a larger crew - for sacking or conquering cities - you need something larger too, even if you keep a small fast ship at flag for the speed. Also, some folks enjoy thundering broadsides for their own sake.


There is nothing that shows power more than a huge broadside. One good chain shot storm later, the enemy often gives up. Sometimes you need that Ship of the Line for better staying power. If you want to be able to have the crew to capture ports and ravage the seas, why not have a War Canoe and a Ship of the Line? That's what I do...
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ive always had a thing for the Brig Of War ever since I caught one early on in the game. Shes weatherly, stiff and fast, very fast if shes well handled Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Part of what's great about the game is that different ships can be the best for different ways of playing. So even though I don't use a Brig of War or a Royal Sloop, for example, I can see how they would be useful. I use a War Canoe until I'm about to find my sister (who gives you your first Monty clue). That is the opportune moment for me to take Henry Morgan's Large Frigate which I use with the War Canoe until I defeat Monty at his hideout. Then I sell it immediately and speed around in the War Canoe to find the lost cities, remaining relatives, and become a Duke in every nation. At that point I choose to attack towns and enjoy adding a SOTL. Once every town is under the flag of my choice, I sell the SOTL. Sometimes I add a second ship temporarily to hold extra men when taking the treasure fleet. It makes more sense financially to skip the ship-to-ship battles and go right in for a sword fight, but I enjoy the ship-to-ship battles and will do them for fun ... usually during the stage of the game when I have a SOTL. So I have a War Canoe throughout the game and selling the other ships when their usefulness for me has ended is an easy way to reduce crew size.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do not start the war canoe vs sotl debate.
Let sleeping dogs lie.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ExtraCrispy wrote:
Do not start the war canoe vs sotl debate.
Let sleeping dogs lie.


No - Wake them Up !!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fine SotL> War canoe

Under specific situations the SotL is actually quicker than the war canoe, if the winds are in your favor.

It carries more men meaning you don't have to fight 50% of your battles. Even if you do fihgt it makes it much easier.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ExtraCrispy wrote:
Fine SotL> War canoe

Under specific situations the SotL is actually quicker than the war canoe, if the winds are in your favor.

It carries more men meaning you don't have to fight 50% of your battles. Even if you do fihgt it makes it much easier.


But ..... the War Canoe can Defeat a SoTL - though the battle is long and hard.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First given enough tries I can defeat the SotL with a flyte. Thefore flyte> SotL?

Second the player does a better job controlling ships than the Ai. You could easily take down an AI SotL with a war canoe. Razz
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