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Perry
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 Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:10 pm Post subject: Hostility of Nations VS Colonies |
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The situation is like this:
I am a Duke of England, and they love me…
I want to attack the English settlements
I started fire with my Cannons on Barbados, until their fort starts firing back at me. Now I get the option to Attack, when I sail into Barbados.
So far, everything’s fine.
Now I arrive at Nevis (also English). THEY still seem to love me…I have to start the Cannon-firing exercise all over again…!
Anyhow, so I do , and I get the option to Attack Nevis…
Then I proceed to St Martin, which happens to be English in this game. They ALSO seem to love me…..So it’s back to Cannon-firing again…
My question:
It seems like every colony has an Individual Hostility Score vs your pirate?? At least if you got a promotion with that Nation? Is that so, and if so, how does it all work? |
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Roland
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| Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:19 pm Post subject: Re: Hostility of Nations VS Colonies |
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| Perry wrote: | | It seems like every colony has an Individual Hostility Score vs your pirate?? At least if you got a promotion with that Nation? Is that so, and if so, how does it all work? |
You are correct. While you will have an overall favor rating with each nation, there are additional factors that might get you bonuses or penalties with a particular city. You get city-specific bonuses for escorting a new governor or romancing his daughter. And you get penalties for engaging in warfare inside the city's territorial waters - even if you are attacking the nation's enemies! Firing directly on a city, of course, will rapidly reduce your local favor rating. I'm not sure if it affects your national favor rating or not. |
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Dutchmans Bane
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I think you can attack any city if you reach it by land, and to get a nation/city to hate you enough to attack it, just keep attacking it's country's vessels (preferably within its waters).
I've done it, and it seems to do the trick. |
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Perry
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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The strange thing that I've found, is that attacking cities, does not seem to reduce National Favor Rating so much.
What seems to reduce National Favor Rating is rather attacking that nations ships..
You agree? |
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Tom Pullings
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 6:08 am Post subject: |
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Perry, I had not focused on that, but you might have something. On the other hand, taking a city and converting it does dramatically inmprove your standing with the nation you give the city to. Apart from amnesty, it is the one thing that can sometimes erase a fairly high bounty. |
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Privateer
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:52 am Post subject: |
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I've found that sometimes the bigger cities are willing to attack you when you try and dock whereas the smaller ones, generally those without cannon defences, of that nation will let you in without hostilities.
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Undershaft
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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I've encountered the same problem. After I made duke with every nation, I decided to rewrite the map. I gave the gulf of mexico to the dutch, Florida became english, and a few cities in Hispaniola went from french to english, then I hit the spanish main to make it the english main and its all taken a long time. I have to bombard every single city for at least a month (game time) before I can attack. I'm also taking their ships, but no one seems to get mad enough at me that they are immediately hostile. Oh well, I'm at the point where I don't have much to do except take cities. I've become a fan of land battles lately. When I first got the game I thought they were a pain in the arse, but now I really enjoy them. |
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Roland
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Undershaft wrote: | | I have to bombard every single city for at least a month (game time) before I can attack. |
Except for a few cities on tiny islands, there is no reason to do this. Just land your ship near the city and march your crew into the city. When you enter a city from the land, you will always get the option to attack unless your crew is too small. |
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Privateer
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 10:30 am Post subject: |
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I think there should be an option to attack a city yourself regardless as to whether they are hostile or not.
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Dave the Knave
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:21 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I think there should be an option to attack a city yourself regardless as to whether they are hostile or not. |
I agree- it makes sense. It's your attitude towards them, not theirs to you, that should determine the exact nature of your visit...and how more in character would it be for a pirate to launch a treacherous surprise attack on his 'friends'? He's a pirate, isn't he?
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Dutchmans Bane
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| Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 1:44 am Post subject: |
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| Dave the Knave wrote: | | I agree- it makes sense. It's your attitude towards them, not theirs to you, that should determine the exact nature of your visit...and how more in character would it be for a pirate to launch a treacherous surprise attack on his 'friends'? He's a pirate, isn't he? |
Well, I try not to be a backstabber (although I'll fire on "friendly" ships that are trying to destroy a ship full of immigrants that I've agreed to escort), but I sometimes do something like that. There'll be times that I'll be able to sack a city, but not give it over to another country (which is the principal reason I sack cities in the first place.  ), during these times, I will "enter" the city, go to the tavern, hire what extra crewman I can, and then try to sack the city again, hopefully with the numbers to turn it over to another side.
"Hey, English guys in Nassau, how'd you like to join me so that I can turn your island over to Spain?  ) |
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Dave the Knave
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:32 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Well, I try not to be a backstabber... |
Aye, same here. But sometimes, your Beloved Nation For the Moment will act in a way that conflicts with your plans, and you've got to make some choices...
I've sacked friendly cities, because I wanted them to belong to a future victim instead. Then the same friendly nation would capture them again! Hands off, says I; this is my area!- and I drive them out again.
| Quote: | | I will "enter" the city, go to the tavern, hire what extra crewman I can, and then try to sack the city again, hopefully with the numbers to turn it over to another side. |
Aye, it's an economical and piratical way to take a city!
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Undershaft
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Roland wrote: | | Undershaft wrote: | | I have to bombard every single city for at least a month (game time) before I can attack. |
Except for a few cities on tiny islands, there is no reason to do this. Just land your ship near the city and march your crew into the city. When you enter a city from the land, you will always get the option to attack unless your crew is too small. |
I did not know that. I never enter cities from land, always by sea. Thanks for the tip. |
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davyjones
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Roland wrote: | | Undershaft wrote: | | I have to bombard every single city for at least a month (game time) before I can attack. |
Except for a few cities on tiny islands, there is no reason to do this. Just land your ship near the city and march your crew into the city. When you enter a city from the land, you will always get the option to attack unless your crew is too small. |
I land and walk to it, but it doesnt give the option. If the town loves you too much, will they not give you the option? I had over 300, so I would think that would at least be enough to give me a chance to fight. |
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Dave the Knave
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| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 4:18 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I land and walk to it, but it doesnt give the option. If the town loves you too much, will they not give you the option? I had over 300, so I would think that would at least be enough to give me a chance to fight. |
If you are the one whose attack last changed the loyalty of the city, you can't sack it! Only a computer-spawned conquest of the city will make it available to you again.
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