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corsair91
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Upgrade

https://sidmeierspirates.fandom.com/wiki/Upgrade

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Cut Content

The Boarding Platform, an intended 9th Upgrade cut from the game during early development.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/sidmeierspirates/images/a/a6/2004_Upgrade_BoardingPlatform.png


Examination of the game's data files reveals an image file containing the image for a 9th upgrade.

This upgrade was the Boarding Platform. Given its name, it is possible to assume that initially, ships were not supposed to be able to board other ships without this upgrade installed. Alternatively, it may have given an advantage during the boarding action, much like pistols, and been cut due to overlapping functions.

The intended mechanics behind this upgrade are unfortunately unknown at this time. It was apparently cut from the game at an early stage of development.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

corsair91 wrote:
Upgrade

https://sidmeierspirates.fandom.com/wiki/Upgrade

Quote:


Cut Content

The Boarding Platform, an intended 9th Upgrade cut from the game during early development.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/sidmeierspirates/images/a/a6/2004_Upgrade_BoardingPlatform.png


Examination of the game's data files reveals an image file containing the image for a 9th upgrade.

This upgrade was the Boarding Platform. Given its name, it is possible to assume that initially, ships were not supposed to be able to board other ships without this upgrade installed. Alternatively, it may have given an advantage during the boarding action, much like pistols, and been cut due to overlapping functions.

The intended mechanics behind this upgrade are unfortunately unknown at this time. It was apparently cut from the game at an early stage of development.


Maybe it was used when the player has a small ship (such as Indian canoe) and is attacking a larger ship (such as a fast galleon).
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In antiquity, The romans galleys used a boarding platform against the
Carthage Navy galleys early in the First Punic War

Corvus (boarding device)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corvus_(boarding_device)

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First Punic War (264–241 BC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Punic_War


The Roman boarding platform usage was later replaced by a Harpax

Harpax
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harpax

Roman catapult-shot grapnel


In the golden age of piracy, a cannon shot grapnel hook
with a rope line would be used, also manually thrown grapnel hooks
when the ships were close enough.
Every Pirate movie has boarding Pirates swinging across on grapnel lines.

Indian canoe was probably too small for carrying and using
a boarding platform which is best used with similar sized ships.
Grapnels hooks with knotted lines would probably
be a better option for boarding Pirates with knives between their teeth.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tobacco was going to be included but at the last second was taken out
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guardacostas wrote:
Tobacco was going to be included but at the last second was taken out


The 'hard copy' game manual that came with my CD version of the game includes tobacco as one of the trade items.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine as well. It was a split second last decision
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The most obvious missing content from the Game

Bonded labour
Indentured labour
slavery

all deliberately omitted to keep Sid Meier Pirates game cutesy


Debt bondage was used to trap indentured labourers into working on plantations in the Caribbean

Indentured labour were recruited to work on sugar plantations
in the British colonies in West Indies

Slaves were extensively used in the Cotton plantations of the
American South
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2022 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guardacostas wrote:
Mine as well. It was a split second last decision


We have it in a couple of the big mods like the East Indies/southeast Asia redux, instead of "goods" I think, the graphics were already in the game so it works perfectly
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2022 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well done. As a 13 year old i don't think tobacco being in pirates gold turned me into a smoker, it was everyone smoked in HS and cigarettes were still $2.50 a pack. Smile But i quit smoking in 2009 but still need an occasional chest xray just in case. Kids, don't try tobacco. It's a horrible way to die "i should have quit sooner. everyone told me to quit years ago. Why didn't i think about my family and friends. OMG im dieing" etc
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2022 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I started you only had to be 16 in Virginia. Marlboro was 1.25 a pack now I pay 100 carton.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2022 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's like buying expensive body wash - somethings are just too sweet to give up or care about price Wink

NJ is around $7.50 a pack x 12 = $90 I can't remember if it was 10 or 12 packs per carton
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I worked in a corner store as a teen and it was already $7.-something a pack at the time, I remember it being a lot cheaper as a kid when my parents would buy them though. Close to 20 bucks here now. If pricing people out of it is the only solution then I can see the logic behind it
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For anyone who still smokes, watching the movie
The Insider (1999) is recommended, before you next light up.
Explains how tobacco nicotine works with the human body.

The Insider (1999)
ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Insider_(film)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0140352/

A fictionalized account of a true story
about a whistleblower in the tobacco industry


Official Trailer: The Insider (1999)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOzw3wi4c_k

A research chemist comes under personal and professional attack when he decides to appear in a "60 Minutes" expose on Big Tobacco.
Based on the true story of a 60 Minutes segment about Jeffrey Wigand, a whistleblower in the tobacco industry.


Al Pacino as Lowell Bergman Quote:
You pay me to go get guys like Wigand (Rusell Crowe), to draw him out. To get him to trust us, to get him to go on television. I do. I deliver him. He sits. He talks. He violates his own fraking* confidentiality agreement.
And he's only the key witness in the biggest public health reform issue, maybe the biggest, most-expensive corporate-malfeasance case in U.S. history.
And Jeffrey Wigand, who's out on a limb, does he go on television and tell the truth? Yes. Is it newsworthy? Yes. Are we gonna air it? Of course not. Why? Because he's not telling the truth? No. Because he is telling the truth. That's why we're not going to air it. And the more truth he tells, the worse it gets!

fraking* edited for language



The Insider 1999 720p AAC x264
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdUI_0mIkec

runtime 2:37:40

Director: Michael Mann
Cast: Al Pacino, Russell Crowe, Christopher Plummer, Diane Venora,Philip Baker
Plot: Based on a true story about a CBS 60 Minutes-episode in 1994 on malpractices in the tobacco industry, that was not aired because CBS parent company Westinghouse objected.
Al Pacino plays the 60 Minutes producer.
Russell Crowe plays the chemist Jeffrey Wigand.

based on

Jeffrey Wigand: The big tobacco whistleblower
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_-Vu8LrUDk

60 Minutes
runtime 29:46

The 1996 Mike Wallace interview that inspired Hollywood's "The Insider"
and changed big tobacco forever.


20 Years Later, The Insider Is Michael Mann’s Greatest Prophecy

https://www.vulture.com/2019/10/the-story-behind-the-insider-michael-manns-prophetic-film.html

OCT. 30, 2019
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2022 2:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Map for Pirates! Sequel
http://www.hookedonpirates.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6523

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Sort of a wish list for a game sequel


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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2022 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The original Pirates game included sun sighting

This was removed in both Pirates Gold & Pirates (2004)


In the 1987 version of Pirates, in order to locate your position at sea it was necessary to use "sun sighting", a subgame in which you would have to line up a sextant with an animated moving sun and take the reading at the sun's peak (noon) which would provide your latitude and longitude for you to look up on the paper map provided with the game.

The "sun sighting" feature provided JUST your latitude.
As an accurate simulation of the era, you had to rely on dead-reckoning for longitude.
(longitude was dead-reckoning calculated until marine chronometers
were generally available)

Unlike both it's descendants, the original 1987 game had NO online map showing your position.

Adjusting the sextant was not as simple as it sounds; it was sometimes hard to make out the sun's zenith as passing clouds would sometimes partially obscure your view.


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